Comments on: A Mine By Any Other Name… http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/ an exploration journal into the shadows of the copper country Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:29:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Gordy Schmitt http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4985 Gordy Schmitt Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:36:41 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4985 Also found a nice copy of Boom Copper available at Archive.Org Also found a nice copy of Boom Copper available at Archive.Org

]]> By: Gordy Schmitt http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4984 Gordy Schmitt Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:51:49 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4984 Oops, the 4 issues dated for June 1916 are of the Engineering and Mining Gazette Oops, the 4 issues dated for June 1916 are of the Engineering and Mining Gazette

]]> By: Gordy Schmitt http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4983 Gordy Schmitt Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:48:38 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4983 The Archive.org web site, these are actually before Engineering and Mining came to be. From what I see, this is one of the predecessors. The issues of Mining and Scientific Press that I was able to get are from July 1906 through March 1922, each issue covers 6 months. A few issues that won't download for some reason. Also has 4 issues of the same thing for June 1916, it was issued weekly. So much info, spend a lot of time reading through. I might have to just get the info and cut and paste it into a Calumet file in date order. The Archive.org web site, these are actually before Engineering and Mining came to be. From what I see, this is one of the predecessors.
The issues of Mining and Scientific Press that I was able to get are from July 1906 through March 1922, each issue covers 6 months. A few issues that won’t download for some reason. Also has 4 issues of the same thing for June 1916, it was issued weekly.
So much info, spend a lot of time reading through. I might have to just get the info and cut and paste it into a Calumet file in date order.

]]> By: davef908 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4982 davef908 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:59:18 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4982 Gordy what sight did you use to get the back issues of the Engineering and Mining Journal? Gordy what sight did you use to get the back issues of the Engineering and Mining Journal?

]]> By: Gordy Schmitt http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4981 Gordy Schmitt Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:04:59 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4981 I should be able to look and see what I have in these PDF files this weekend. I don't know for sure what dates these are but I am guessing 1900 to 1920 or so. Herb, I'll post what issues these are and try a search with that title you gave. duh, should finish reading. Heres the link. These are much nicer scans than Googles. http://www.archive.org I did notice the issue I have did mention the Keweenaw Central Railroad, so its not all about mining, almost like a gossip paper. I should be able to look and see what I have in these PDF files this weekend. I don’t know for sure what dates these are but I am guessing 1900 to 1920 or so.
Herb, I’ll post what issues these are and try a search with that title you gave. duh, should finish reading. Heres the link. These are much nicer scans than Googles. http://www.archive.org
I did notice the issue I have did mention the Keweenaw Central Railroad, so its not all about mining, almost like a gossip paper.

]]> By: Herb from Wisconsin http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4979 Herb from Wisconsin Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:05:47 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4979 Gordy & Explorer: Does the "Engineering and Mining Journal" (or other mining periodicals) at that online archives resource go back to the 1840s-1860s? One early title was "Mining and Railroad Gazette" (or something like that), and there might be other early titles covering the Lake Superior copper mines from that period. If so, is there a link? That's the time frame that I'm working on. Thanks! Gordy & Explorer:

Does the “Engineering and Mining Journal” (or other mining periodicals) at that online archives resource go back to the 1840s-1860s? One early title was “Mining and Railroad Gazette” (or something like that), and there might be other early titles covering the Lake Superior copper mines from that period. If so, is there a link? That’s the time frame that I’m working on. Thanks!

]]> By: explorer http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4975 explorer Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:24:49 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4975 Gordy.. Thanks! That explains the Gratiot shafts, and at least gives the impression that the bat caged mine was Gratiot No. 1 at one time as I surmised. But, I wonder when the gratiot shafts became known as Seneca No. 2 and Seneca No. 3? I wonder if it was after C&H acquired the property, and then opened a third shaft out at Seneca Location? More mysteries... Gordy..

Thanks! That explains the Gratiot shafts, and at least gives the impression that the bat caged mine was Gratiot No. 1 at one time as I surmised. But, I wonder when the gratiot shafts became known as Seneca No. 2 and Seneca No. 3? I wonder if it was after C&H acquired the property, and then opened a third shaft out at Seneca Location? More mysteries…

]]> By: Gordy Schmitt http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4970 Gordy Schmitt Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:15:04 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4970 This might explain this area a bit. Went looking for the new resource mentioned in the forum, Engineering and Mining Journal, found a bunch of old ones in the Internet Archive. So I downloaded them all. Most are before the newer title and are called Mining and Scientific Press. But the first one I looked and searched, using the Seneca, I found this little blurb dated Sept 15, 1906: Occasional reports are circulated to the effect that the Seneca property, adjoining the Mohawk and Ahmeek, is to start operations, but it is not likely that any activity will result at that mine this year. The Ahmeek and Mohawk are doing well, and in a measure they are proving up the Seneca's prospects. The Calumet & Hecla Mining Co. has started a couple of shafts on its property lying immediately northeast of the Mohawk, with favorable results. The Seneca bears the same relation to the Calumet & Hecla's property, known as the Gratiot, that the Allouez does to the Ahmeek, the former in each instance being the ' deep level ' of the latter. The Seneca is one of the most promising undeveloped properties in the Lake Superior copper district and undoubtedly will make a good-sized mine in time, but it appears to be the present policy of the company to permit the adjoining properties to develop their lands and thus prove the Seneca portion of the Kearsarge amygdaloid bed. In addition to the two shafts the Calumet & Hecla Co. is sinking on its Gratiot projferty, it has four other shafts under way in Keweenaw county. This might explain this area a bit. Went looking for the new resource mentioned in the forum, Engineering and Mining Journal, found a bunch of old ones in the Internet Archive. So I downloaded them all. Most are before the newer title and are called Mining and Scientific Press. But the first one I looked and searched, using the Seneca, I found this little blurb dated Sept 15, 1906:
Occasional reports are circulated to the effect that the
Seneca property, adjoining the Mohawk and Ahmeek, is
to start operations, but it is not likely that any activity
will result at that mine this year. The Ahmeek and
Mohawk are doing well, and in a measure they are proving
up the Seneca’s prospects. The Calumet & Hecla
Mining Co. has started a couple of shafts on its property
lying immediately northeast of the Mohawk, with favorable
results. The Seneca bears the same relation to the
Calumet & Hecla’s property, known as the Gratiot, that
the Allouez does to the Ahmeek, the former in each
instance being the ‘ deep level ‘ of the latter. The Seneca
is one of the most promising undeveloped properties in
the Lake Superior copper district and undoubtedly will
make a good-sized mine in time, but it appears to be the
present policy of the company to permit the adjoining
properties to develop their lands and thus prove the
Seneca portion of the Kearsarge amygdaloid bed.
In addition to the two shafts the Calumet & Hecla Co.
is sinking on its Gratiot projferty, it has four other shafts
under way in Keweenaw county.

]]> By: Ross Helmick http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4968 Ross Helmick Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:29:11 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4968 Great job sorting through the ownership lineage Mike. Great job sorting through the ownership lineage Mike.

]]> By: explorer http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/05/a-mine-by-any-other-name/#comment-4961 explorer Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:24:09 +0000 http://coppercountryexplorer.com/?p=2452#comment-4961 That musty smell is one I know well. I also know all too well that "old mine building" smell, which is generally just an old oil and rotting wood smell. I also know all too well something I'll call ruin dust, especially during my work over at the Champion No. 4. Everything in that building is covered by a thick layer of dust, which makes everything look like its thousands of feet under the water (images of the Titanic wreck come to mind. I would come home every day after a few hours in that building and be covered in the stuff. Worst yet the stuff brought with it that old mine smell, and I smelled very similar for a while. But I've actually come to like the smell, if you can imagine. It smells like home. Herb... Thanks! I'm glad you could follow, after I was done I looked back and though the whole thing seemed convoluted. But its been on my mind, so I thought I'd share. Of course, its all conjecture really, and who knows the accuracy of those early sources. (considering my investigation of the Albion Rock earlier...) That musty smell is one I know well. I also know all too well that “old mine building” smell, which is generally just an old oil and rotting wood smell. I also know all too well something I’ll call ruin dust, especially during my work over at the Champion No. 4. Everything in that building is covered by a thick layer of dust, which makes everything look like its thousands of feet under the water (images of the Titanic wreck come to mind. I would come home every day after a few hours in that building and be covered in the stuff. Worst yet the stuff brought with it that old mine smell, and I smelled very similar for a while.

But I’ve actually come to like the smell, if you can imagine. It smells like home.

Herb…

Thanks! I’m glad you could follow, after I was done I looked back and though the whole thing seemed convoluted. But its been on my mind, so I thought I’d share. Of course, its all conjecture really, and who knows the accuracy of those early sources. (considering my investigation of the Albion Rock earlier…)

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