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	<title>Comments on: The Removal of the Osceola #13 Hoist</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Dase</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/11/the-removal-of-the-osceola-13-hoist/#comment-5126</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got word, one of the hoists is probably the Kearsarge hoist.  It was an old steam hoist converted to electric and was sold along with Centennial No. 6, and Osceola 13.  I guess the steam hoist at No. 3 Centennial is for sale as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got word, one of the hoists is probably the Kearsarge hoist.  It was an old steam hoist converted to electric and was sold along with Centennial No. 6, and Osceola 13.  I guess the steam hoist at No. 3 Centennial is for sale as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gordy Schmitt</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/11/the-removal-of-the-osceola-13-hoist/#comment-5045</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordy Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking at the series of photos that Mr Kraft took in 1947, one of the photos, this one in particular: 
http://digarch.lib.mtu.edu/showbib.aspx?bib_id=623794#

It looks like one of the old Hecla shafts is still standing, would be almost right in the middle of the photo, I would imagine, its the one farthest south. That photo its hard to see the stuff. I had purchased this and several other of the Kraft series. Many years ago, you could buy these photos in 8x10 size at many of the "tourist stores".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking at the series of photos that Mr Kraft took in 1947, one of the photos, this one in particular:<br />
<a href="http://digarch.lib.mtu.edu/showbib.aspx?bib_id=623794#" rel="nofollow">http://digarch.lib.mtu.edu/showbib.aspx?bib_id=623794#</a></p>
<p>It looks like one of the old Hecla shafts is still standing, would be almost right in the middle of the photo, I would imagine, its the one farthest south. That photo its hard to see the stuff. I had purchased this and several other of the Kraft series. Many years ago, you could buy these photos in 8&#215;10 size at many of the &#8220;tourist stores&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordy Schmitt</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/11/the-removal-of-the-osceola-13-hoist/#comment-5043</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordy Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to see any of this stuff leaving the area. But with no money to take care of whats there, what are you going to do. After seeing the article in the Daily Mining Gazette of Calumet Township looking for cash to help take care of some of these buildings, it really scares a person that cares about the stuff. I can see the day this mine comes down, and I hate to say that, but how many shafts need to be standing for museums. I've said it before, I could watch the skip going up and down from our kitchen window when I was a kid, in fact with the wind from the southwest you could hear it or the cable banging. With the windows all knocked out, mother nature is doing her damage from the inside out.
Hopefully the Township owned the hoists and is getting whatever cash they got for them.
That hoist building would be nice building for some use, either it or the change/collar building, although I don't know if I would want a mine shaft in my building, no matter how well covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to see any of this stuff leaving the area. But with no money to take care of whats there, what are you going to do. After seeing the article in the Daily Mining Gazette of Calumet Township looking for cash to help take care of some of these buildings, it really scares a person that cares about the stuff. I can see the day this mine comes down, and I hate to say that, but how many shafts need to be standing for museums. I&#8217;ve said it before, I could watch the skip going up and down from our kitchen window when I was a kid, in fact with the wind from the southwest you could hear it or the cable banging. With the windows all knocked out, mother nature is doing her damage from the inside out.<br />
Hopefully the Township owned the hoists and is getting whatever cash they got for them.<br />
That hoist building would be nice building for some use, either it or the change/collar building, although I don&#8217;t know if I would want a mine shaft in my building, no matter how well covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb from Wisconsin</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/11/the-removal-of-the-osceola-13-hoist/#comment-5038</link>
		<dc:creator>Herb from Wisconsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the map and photo of the building. This is the location that in my mind I was thinking it might be. A "few" years I stopped there one morning and took some photos of it on a motorcycle trip, although I never knew it was Osceola 13 until now. It was rusty red and almost seemed to be in a residential neighborhood, and def.  west of Hwy-41. 

Any news on the fate of the removed equipment? 

What about the hoist building itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the map and photo of the building. This is the location that in my mind I was thinking it might be. A &#8220;few&#8221; years I stopped there one morning and took some photos of it on a motorcycle trip, although I never knew it was Osceola 13 until now. It was rusty red and almost seemed to be in a residential neighborhood, and def.  west of Hwy-41. </p>
<p>Any news on the fate of the removed equipment? </p>
<p>What about the hoist building itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dase</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/11/the-removal-of-the-osceola-13-hoist/#comment-5037</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that this hoist was sold off as well as No. 6 Centennial's hoist.  There was only one hoist for No. 13, there was a second hoist in storage at the site, it was located inside the collar house and was a much older hoist, which began its life in the C&#38;H mine on the 81st haulage level servicing a subshaft. Which is probably the reason that allot of the parts bear resemblance to those on the Champion Hoist, as that hoist started its life as an underground hoist in No. 4 shafts subshaft. No. 13 was the same hoist (of Nordberg origin) as No. 6 Centennial, just different sized drums.

As far as the pictures go;

the counterweights are for the brake mechanism.

The drums in the fore-ground in the second picture probably belong to the older hoist, as the main shaft has been torched which would have made getting it back up the shaft easier.

The fifth picture down shows the carrier for the main bearings, the cup would have held the main shaft of the hoist and anchor the hoist to the foundations.

Great pictures!  Too bad the old girl is leaving the area though, it means there are only three or four hoists left in the area, not including the two that are in museums...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that this hoist was sold off as well as No. 6 Centennial&#8217;s hoist.  There was only one hoist for No. 13, there was a second hoist in storage at the site, it was located inside the collar house and was a much older hoist, which began its life in the C&amp;H mine on the 81st haulage level servicing a subshaft. Which is probably the reason that allot of the parts bear resemblance to those on the Champion Hoist, as that hoist started its life as an underground hoist in No. 4 shafts subshaft. No. 13 was the same hoist (of Nordberg origin) as No. 6 Centennial, just different sized drums.</p>
<p>As far as the pictures go;</p>
<p>the counterweights are for the brake mechanism.</p>
<p>The drums in the fore-ground in the second picture probably belong to the older hoist, as the main shaft has been torched which would have made getting it back up the shaft easier.</p>
<p>The fifth picture down shows the carrier for the main bearings, the cup would have held the main shaft of the hoist and anchor the hoist to the foundations.</p>
<p>Great pictures!  Too bad the old girl is leaving the area though, it means there are only three or four hoists left in the area, not including the two that are in museums&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: explorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordy...

I wasn't sure how much of the original plant was left standing by C&#038;H, so I thought it possible. There was a substantial surface plant at the shaft originally, very similar to most of C&#038;H's other shafts. From the Copper Handbook:

"Shafts 13, 14, and 15 have large stone engine houses, with a steel engine house at No. 16. Shafts 13 to 17, inclusive, have Nordberg first-motion double conical drum hoists operating 10 ton skips in balance, good for 5,000' depth each... shafts 13,14,15,16, and 17 have permanent shaft-rockhouses of the same general design as the conglomerate workings"

This would be around 1908. The surface plant must of succumbed to scrappers some time before that ariel image was taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordy&#8230;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure how much of the original plant was left standing by C&#038;H, so I thought it possible. There was a substantial surface plant at the shaft originally, very similar to most of C&#038;H&#8217;s other shafts. From the Copper Handbook:</p>
<p>&#8220;Shafts 13, 14, and 15 have large stone engine houses, with a steel engine house at No. 16. Shafts 13 to 17, inclusive, have Nordberg first-motion double conical drum hoists operating 10 ton skips in balance, good for 5,000&#8242; depth each&#8230; shafts 13,14,15,16, and 17 have permanent shaft-rockhouses of the same general design as the conglomerate workings&#8221;</p>
<p>This would be around 1908. The surface plant must of succumbed to scrappers some time before that ariel image was taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordy Schmitt</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/11/the-removal-of-the-osceola-13-hoist/#comment-5032</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordy Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, before this plant was built it was an open field and "E" street went right through and connected with Log St.

http://digarch.lib.mtu.edu/showbib.aspx?bib_id=623989#

"E" street is the last street on the left side, going up and own in the photo, this was from 1947, about 10 more years for the new shaft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, before this plant was built it was an open field and &#8220;E&#8221; street went right through and connected with Log St.</p>
<p><a href="http://digarch.lib.mtu.edu/showbib.aspx?bib_id=623989#" rel="nofollow">http://digarch.lib.mtu.edu/showbib.aspx?bib_id=623989#</a></p>
<p>&#8220;E&#8221; street is the last street on the left side, going up and own in the photo, this was from 1947, about 10 more years for the new shaft.</p>
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		<title>By: explorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve..

Thanks for the kind words about the site, and I'm glad you stopped by. Sorry about thinking you were mistaken about these hoists being removed, obviously I shouldn't be so quick assume things. I was rather surprised when I saw the parts sitting out there, but it was interesting to see none the less. Glad you brought it to our attention so I could get some shots before they're taken away. 

I'm also not sure why I assumed those shiny metal cups were for a piston, it doesn't make sense when you look at them in relation to the green bases. Bearings for the hoist drum makes much more sense. Thanks to both you and Gordy for setting me straight. I think I was hoping somehow that an original hoist from before the current surface plant was installed here had somehow survived. I don't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve..</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words about the site, and I&#8217;m glad you stopped by. Sorry about thinking you were mistaken about these hoists being removed, obviously I shouldn&#8217;t be so quick assume things. I was rather surprised when I saw the parts sitting out there, but it was interesting to see none the less. Glad you brought it to our attention so I could get some shots before they&#8217;re taken away. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not sure why I assumed those shiny metal cups were for a piston, it doesn&#8217;t make sense when you look at them in relation to the green bases. Bearings for the hoist drum makes much more sense. Thanks to both you and Gordy for setting me straight. I think I was hoping somehow that an original hoist from before the current surface plant was installed here had somehow survived. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve from New York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve from New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's nice to find a place on the net like this. I am the guy who first reported to Jay that the hoists were being removed. 

The shiny metal cups on the green bases would probably be the bearings for the hoist drum. It looks to be a babbit style bearing, which is basically just a lead based alloy. 

The hoists look like someone is going to salvage them for use. They probably set the peices out that way so a crane can load them up to a number of trucks for transport. The drums themselves are probably pretty heavy and might each be a seperate load. 

It is also highly possible that the parts may not be for a new instalation, but for spares for an existing hoist that someone has. 

This is a very nice site. Thanks for all the information that can be found here. 

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to find a place on the net like this. I am the guy who first reported to Jay that the hoists were being removed. </p>
<p>The shiny metal cups on the green bases would probably be the bearings for the hoist drum. It looks to be a babbit style bearing, which is basically just a lead based alloy. </p>
<p>The hoists look like someone is going to salvage them for use. They probably set the peices out that way so a crane can load them up to a number of trucks for transport. The drums themselves are probably pretty heavy and might each be a seperate load. </p>
<p>It is also highly possible that the parts may not be for a new instalation, but for spares for an existing hoist that someone has. </p>
<p>This is a very nice site. Thanks for all the information that can be found here. </p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Balliet</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/11/the-removal-of-the-osceola-13-hoist/#comment-5027</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Balliet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herb, 

Here's a link to a pic I took of it on Flickr.  On the lower right there's a "map" link.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfactor1/2569021433/#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herb, </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to a pic I took of it on Flickr.  On the lower right there&#8217;s a &#8220;map&#8221; link.<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfactor1/2569021433/#" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfactor1/2569021433/#</a></p>
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