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		<title>By: dcclark</title>
		<link>http://coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/08/18/keweenaw-sands-p1/#comment-5937</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My copy of "Self-Guided Geological Field Trip to the Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan" (2nd ed., 1994, I think) refers to the Isle Royale piles still existing, but also notes that they they were quickly disappearing at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My copy of &#8220;Self-Guided Geological Field Trip to the Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan&#8221; (2nd ed., 1994, I think) refers to the Isle Royale piles still existing, but also notes that they they were quickly disappearing at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb from Wisconsin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb from Wisconsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The time or two I visted the Isle Royale piles they already were chained off with "No Trespassing" signs. I can't remember anymore if I went in there or not. I know that I looked for that supposedly rich pile, but never found it or couldn't tell which one it was. It seems to me that the old guy gave me directions I put into a little notebook with a crude map, but once I got there it wasn't exactly clear where to go; plus the posted land, etc. put me off. I believe there were houses nearby too, which tends to keep a guy from sneaking in, even me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The time or two I visted the Isle Royale piles they already were chained off with &#8220;No Trespassing&#8221; signs. I can&#8217;t remember anymore if I went in there or not. I know that I looked for that supposedly rich pile, but never found it or couldn&#8217;t tell which one it was. It seems to me that the old guy gave me directions I put into a little notebook with a crude map, but once I got there it wasn&#8217;t exactly clear where to go; plus the posted land, etc. put me off. I believe there were houses nearby too, which tends to keep a guy from sneaking in, even me!</p>
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		<title>By: explorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parts of those Isle Royale piles still exist, but very little of what use to be there. Moyle (or perhaps Gundlach) I believe owns the whole thing now and used the rock piles for construction material for years. 

Related to those Isle Royale rock piles, the sign at the Quincy Lookout scenic turnout still labels those piles as existing. The sign refers to them as rock "mounds" atop the hill overlooking Houghton. Of course you look now and the piles are gone. 

Also interesting is that sign thanks the Quincy Mine for donating and up-keeping the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parts of those Isle Royale piles still exist, but very little of what use to be there. Moyle (or perhaps Gundlach) I believe owns the whole thing now and used the rock piles for construction material for years. </p>
<p>Related to those Isle Royale rock piles, the sign at the Quincy Lookout scenic turnout still labels those piles as existing. The sign refers to them as rock &#8220;mounds&#8221; atop the hill overlooking Houghton. Of course you look now and the piles are gone. </p>
<p>Also interesting is that sign thanks the Quincy Mine for donating and up-keeping the property.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb from Wisconsin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb from Wisconsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Isle Royale piles gone? When did that happen? They were there a "few" years ago. The story about one pile (I think it was #7 or 8) being a stockpile of unmilled rock may have been a tall tale, I don't really know. It was told to me by an old man at a rock shop in Copper Harbor back in the 1980s, I believe maybe the owner. I asked him of good places to hunt copper and that's the story he told me: that it was a govt. stockpile of mined, but unmilled rock, that was never processed. 

A great part of the charm of that region is the old mining remains and poor rock piles. I'm sorry to see it vanishing like this, but as we see, the poor rock itself has considerable value as crushed road metal, etc. 

Incidently, it's always fun to watch the copper rock road gravel for shiny red metal that car tires tend to polish up. I've found a small piece or two that way....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Isle Royale piles gone? When did that happen? They were there a &#8220;few&#8221; years ago. The story about one pile (I think it was #7 or <img src='http://coppercountryexplorer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> being a stockpile of unmilled rock may have been a tall tale, I don&#8217;t really know. It was told to me by an old man at a rock shop in Copper Harbor back in the 1980s, I believe maybe the owner. I asked him of good places to hunt copper and that&#8217;s the story he told me: that it was a govt. stockpile of mined, but unmilled rock, that was never processed. </p>
<p>A great part of the charm of that region is the old mining remains and poor rock piles. I&#8217;m sorry to see it vanishing like this, but as we see, the poor rock itself has considerable value as crushed road metal, etc. </p>
<p>Incidently, it&#8217;s always fun to watch the copper rock road gravel for shiny red metal that car tires tend to polish up. I&#8217;ve found a small piece or two that way&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordy Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordy Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got the Mining Gazette paper from Houghton, the Winona Sands have been covered with 6 inchs of soil.
 Next target are the sands at Central for next year. From what its said, the creek will be rerouted to make it more like a natural trout stream, then the sands get covered. So if you like the way it looks now, get your pictures.

The C&#38;H Newsletter did mention testing of 4,400 tons of rock from S kearsarge, No 1 &#38; 2 N Kearsarge, Ahmeek #2 and the Centennial Conglomerate. Most of this was crushed at the Houghton County road commission and looks to have been hand picked through, they said they did find some chunks up to 275lbs, but most was to small to hand pick. As a follow up to this, 500 tons from the Allouez Congolmerate was crushed at Ahmeek #2 rockhouse and shipped to the Ahmeek Mill. They do mention a by product of this project was crushed rock for road construction and were going to a market study for its sale and usage. Whatever was hauled for these tests was sold to the county.
 A later issue mentions about shipping rock from Ahmeek #2 to the old Kearsarge shaft and running it through the rockhouse and sending 500 tons a day to the mill, so maybe rock from Ahmeek #2 had some value.
Funny how now, people are using the crushing the rock and selling it, but not worrying about the copper content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got the Mining Gazette paper from Houghton, the Winona Sands have been covered with 6 inchs of soil.<br />
 Next target are the sands at Central for next year. From what its said, the creek will be rerouted to make it more like a natural trout stream, then the sands get covered. So if you like the way it looks now, get your pictures.</p>
<p>The C&amp;H Newsletter did mention testing of 4,400 tons of rock from S kearsarge, No 1 &amp; 2 N Kearsarge, Ahmeek #2 and the Centennial Conglomerate. Most of this was crushed at the Houghton County road commission and looks to have been hand picked through, they said they did find some chunks up to 275lbs, but most was to small to hand pick. As a follow up to this, 500 tons from the Allouez Congolmerate was crushed at Ahmeek #2 rockhouse and shipped to the Ahmeek Mill. They do mention a by product of this project was crushed rock for road construction and were going to a market study for its sale and usage. Whatever was hauled for these tests was sold to the county.<br />
 A later issue mentions about shipping rock from Ahmeek #2 to the old Kearsarge shaft and running it through the rockhouse and sending 500 tons a day to the mill, so maybe rock from Ahmeek #2 had some value.<br />
Funny how now, people are using the crushing the rock and selling it, but not worrying about the copper content.</p>
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		<title>By: dcclark</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herb,

The Isle Royale piles are all gone now, so I imagine that even if it were true, something was done with it long before now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herb,</p>
<p>The Isle Royale piles are all gone now, so I imagine that even if it were true, something was done with it long before now.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb from Wisconsin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb from Wisconsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordy, that's interesting. With the current high price of copper some of those old sands might pay to rework now. Of course, like somebody said before, it would pay only if done on-site, and that would bring up all sorts of environmental issues and such. But so long as the old sands are sitting there it remains a possibility.

This reminds me of something an old guy up there once told me. That one of the Isle Royale mine poor rock piles was a govt. job in WWII (WWI?) and they just mined the rock and then stockpiled it without milling it.

Now I don't know if that's a myth or not (it probably is), but if it were true, then that pile would be richer in copper than the others, or so you'd think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordy, that&#8217;s interesting. With the current high price of copper some of those old sands might pay to rework now. Of course, like somebody said before, it would pay only if done on-site, and that would bring up all sorts of environmental issues and such. But so long as the old sands are sitting there it remains a possibility.</p>
<p>This reminds me of something an old guy up there once told me. That one of the Isle Royale mine poor rock piles was a govt. job in WWII (WWI?) and they just mined the rock and then stockpiled it without milling it.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s a myth or not (it probably is), but if it were true, then that pile would be richer in copper than the others, or so you&#8217;d think.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordy Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordy Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grrrrrrrr, why in the heck can't I find part 2 of the sands.

Herb, I was doing some reading in C&#38;H's company newsletters from the 1950s when C&#38;H was trying to extend its life, I believe in Part 2 comments you had mentioned about pulling the copper out of the different sands, whether it was worth it or not.
C&#38;H actually did try that in the late 1950's, they also sampled some of the poor rock piles. One of the sands that did show good promise was the red sands of the Allouez mine. But they never really list the end result, obviously, it wasn't worth the time as the sands still are there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grrrrrrrr, why in the heck can&#8217;t I find part 2 of the sands.</p>
<p>Herb, I was doing some reading in C&amp;H&#8217;s company newsletters from the 1950s when C&amp;H was trying to extend its life, I believe in Part 2 comments you had mentioned about pulling the copper out of the different sands, whether it was worth it or not.<br />
C&amp;H actually did try that in the late 1950&#8217;s, they also sampled some of the poor rock piles. One of the sands that did show good promise was the red sands of the Allouez mine. But they never really list the end result, obviously, it wasn&#8217;t worth the time as the sands still are there.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordy Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordy Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmmmm now I now I am tired, I completely missed where you talk about the Keweenaw Bay Mill, I think those sands are just sands from the same mill washed down the shore, the topo map I put the link to, shows sands along the shore south of the mill in several places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmmmm now I now I am tired, I completely missed where you talk about the Keweenaw Bay Mill, I think those sands are just sands from the same mill washed down the shore, the topo map I put the link to, shows sands along the shore south of the mill in several places.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordy Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordy Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well ummmmmm, another mystery solved Mike, I think and am pretty sure, those mystery sands are from the mill you use in the first photo of Anatomy of a Mill(Rock Bins), the Keweenaw Bay Mill. If you look closely at a topo map, a branch of the Mineral Range used to run to the west/southwest towards Pelkie, Nissula and went out around Mass. I know it served a mine or two out there around Mass. 
http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&#38;S=12&#38;Z=16&#38;X=482&#38;Y=6488&#38;W=3&#38;qs=%7ckeweenaw+bay%7cmi%7c
It ended about a 1/4 miles south of the roadside park on US41. A road is on top of the grade now. There was a train station along with the stamp mill there.
After doing a little Internet search, its talked about the Copper Handbook Vol 2, (1902) in Google Books. The mill was actually called the Mass Mill at Keweenaw Bay, and of course the Mass Mine is what supplied the rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well ummmmmm, another mystery solved Mike, I think and am pretty sure, those mystery sands are from the mill you use in the first photo of Anatomy of a Mill(Rock Bins), the Keweenaw Bay Mill. If you look closely at a topo map, a branch of the Mineral Range used to run to the west/southwest towards Pelkie, Nissula and went out around Mass. I know it served a mine or two out there around Mass.<br />
<a href="http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&amp;S=12&amp;Z=16&amp;X=482&amp;Y=6488&amp;W=3&amp;qs=%7ckeweenaw+bay%7cmi%7c" rel="nofollow">http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&amp;S=12&amp;Z=16&amp;X=482&amp;Y=6488&amp;W=3&amp;qs=%7ckeweenaw+bay%7cmi%7c</a><br />
It ended about a 1/4 miles south of the roadside park on US41. A road is on top of the grade now. There was a train station along with the stamp mill there.<br />
After doing a little Internet search, its talked about the Copper Handbook Vol 2, (1902) in Google Books. The mill was actually called the Mass Mill at Keweenaw Bay, and of course the Mass Mine is what supplied the rock.</p>
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